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Whale Tail Stories

I agree rarely seeing girls with low rise jeans wearing a belt and it defeats the purpose of the jeans in the first place if we are being honest about it. If you don't want your jeans sitting low, wear higher rise jeans.
I grew up in two countries England and New Zealand. Low rise fashion never really took off in NZ as much as in England so I have limited stories to tell you all. But, my ex from a decade or so ago, she actually had a pair of low slung jeans so while not low rise, they did sometimes sit low especially when walking. She did mostly wear a belt for them, but when she didn't when at home, she tended to let them sit low. I did mention to her that I found this to be quite hot, she actually didn't notice much about it. She said she got them from her homeland in Hong Kong in the early 2010s. Sadly this is all I have to contribute to this forum post as my experiences with low rise jeans sadly is very limited.
But I agree 100% about the if you don't want your lower body exposed don't wear low rise jeans. That's the entire point of them, is to show more skin and be sexy. And boy are they sexy as fuck if you ask me. Just seeing these stock models rock them gets me turned on. I liked how some of the thongs and g-strings had words or symbols that were actually meant to be seen by whale tailing. You heard me correctly. Your underwear was supposed to be exposed and seen by everyone. Maybe not 100% of the time but every once in a while you'd get a peek if you sat down or bent over or were walking and your pants were slouched down a bit exposing the underwear. Some ladies didn't even care. Some purposely wanted it exposed. And some fought as hard as they could to pull their pants up and keep it hidden much to their chagrin. Either way what matters was they were pairing low rise jeans with thong and g-string underwear. A match made in heaven.
 
You should've been in high-school in the early to mid 2000's. You had to not look for whale tails. It was so common back then.
I was in high school during the 2000s Y2K time, but both England and NZ school uniform is compulsory so very rarely got to see the whale tail. Saw more definitely out and about in England.
 
I was in high school during the 2000s Y2K time, but both England and NZ school uniform is compulsory so very rarely got to see the whale tail. Saw more definitely out and about in England.
Was it the classic skirt with a white shirt and tie? If it was you probably didn't even get a good any good upskirt shots either.
 
But I agree 100% about the if you don't want your lower body exposed don't wear low rise jeans. That's the entire point of them, is to show more skin and be sexy. And boy are they sexy as fuck if you ask me. Just seeing these stock models rock them gets me turned on. I liked how some of the thongs and g-strings had words or symbols that were actually meant to be seen by whale tailing. You heard me correctly. Your underwear was supposed to be exposed and seen by everyone. Maybe not 100% of the time but every once in a while you'd get a peek if you sat down or bent over or were walking and your pants were slouched down a bit exposing the underwear. Some ladies didn't even care. Some purposely wanted it exposed. And some fought as hard as they could to pull their pants up and keep it hidden much to their chagrin. Either way what matters was they were pairing low rise jeans with thong and g-string underwear. A match made in heaven.
Fully agree because when you buy a pair of low rise jeans (or ultra low rise jeans as I saw your profile mentioned when searching), you buy them for specific reasons. If you don't like the specific reasons, buy higher waste jeans. Low rise jeans are meant to be as low as possible and if we keep it real, to show as much as possible because that's what they were designed for. The belt is actually mostly for men especially at workplaces. When I see low rise jeans and a belt, I feel like saying, why buy them? Just buy higher waste jeans, not having a dig at people because it's individual's choices.

I think it's more of a turn on when it's accidental and in a way when they don't know thong/G-string, pants showing and even when a bit of buttcrack shows. Because sometimes the ladies don't always think about clothing.
 
Fully agree because when you buy a pair of low rise jeans (or ultra low rise jeans as I saw your profile mentioned when searching), you buy them for specific reasons. If you don't like the specific reasons, buy higher waste jeans. Low rise jeans are meant to be as low as possible and if we keep it real, to show as much as possible because that's what they were designed for. The belt is actually mostly for men especially at workplaces. When I see low rise jeans and a belt, I feel like saying, why buy them? Just buy higher waste jeans, not having a dig at people because it's individual's choices.

I think it's more of a turn on when it's accidental and in a way when they don't know thong/G-string, pants showing and even when a bit of buttcrack shows. Because sometimes the ladies don't always think about clothing.
Yeah that's true. when I wear a belt with my low rise jeans I don't whale tail and the problem is solved. But that's why I never wear one with them lol.
 
One time I took my mom to the pharmacy to pick up her prescription because she doesn't drive. The pharmacy was inside a grocery store, where I used to work several years before. Anyway, it wasn't ready, so she had to wait about 15-20 minutes to get it filled. She wanted to do some shopping while she waited but I decided to stay behind and sat in one of the four chairs in front of the pharmacy. Best decision ever.

There was a bread delivery girl stocking bread on the shelves directly in front of the pharmacy. She was Hispanic, cute, and young. Probably early 20s. She also had a strange working technique. At the moment she was sitting "Indian" style on the floor (her legs crossed under her). She was stocking the lower shelf and found this position more comfortable than crouching or kneeling. Who knows. That got my attention, and I watched her from the corner of my eye, making sure not to make it too obvious. My chair was not really aligned with her spot but a little behind her so I could see more of her back than front. I think we all know where this is going.

That's right. She suddenly stretched to put something towards the back of the shelf, causing her shirt to ride up above her lower back for a moment. Bam! A light blue thong with white trim pops out over her jeans. This caught my full attention and kept watching her as she stocked bread from a plastic rack from the floor to the shelf. Each time she did that her shirt would ride up and expose her thong. Not once did she adjust her shirt or jeans. Like she wasn't even aware what she was doing. It was fucking sexy as hell and a great show until she got up, pulled her jeans up and resumed stocking the higher shelves. This time she didn't sit on the floor since she didn't have to.

I still kept watching her, looking at her different than before. She then turned towards me and caught me looking in her direction. She didn't think anything of it and kept working. I held back from thanking her for the free show and saving me from 15 minutes of boredom.
 
Thongs/Whaletails have been a thing for me as long as I can remember. I have a few stories, but one in particular comes to mind..

When I was in high school (late 2000’s) whaletails were not uncommon. I went to a large school, but cliches were prevalent and there was a core “popular/hot girl” group established within each grade. One of these girls from the year above mine had always caught my eye, an older sister to a friend, petite Japanese girl with an incredible body. Quiet, but clearly trying to look sexy and act flirty. I had a class with her and sat one row behind/over from her so I would enjoy an hour each day looking at her.

I still remember clearly one day in particular that she came in after I was already seated. She gave me the customary nod/smile as she made her way to her seat, and as she sat in front of me exposed a very tiny, navy blue Aerie g-string. My eyes were immediately glued to her ass and the tiny thong that was sitting about 2 inches above her jeans (in hindsight, I was surely seen by many girls and guys gawking at her whaletail. I also remember being rock hard in class imagining her tight ass in that g-string.

Link to similar: https://www.ae.com/us/en/p/aerie/un...thong-underwear/6777_7297_410?menu=cat4840006

Maybe the most incredible part is that that her thong was clearly visible the entire class. I spent the hour admiring it, in shock that she wasn’t hurrying to tuck it away, just proudly letting it fly and driving all the guys crazy.

Have jacked off to the memory and her pics on more than a few occasions.
 
Thongs/Whaletails have been a thing for me as long as I can remember. I have a few stories, but one in particular comes to mind..

When I was in high school (late 2000’s) whaletails were not uncommon. I went to a large school, but cliches were prevalent and there was a core “popular/hot girl” group established within each grade. One of these girls from the year above mine had always caught my eye, an older sister to a friend, petite Japanese girl with an incredible body. Quiet, but clearly trying to look sexy and act flirty. I had a class with her and sat one row behind/over from her so I would enjoy an hour each day looking at her.

I still remember clearly one day in particular that she came in after I was already seated. She gave me the customary nod/smile as she made her way to her seat, and as she sat in front of me exposed a very tiny, navy blue Aerie g-string. My eyes were immediately glued to her ass and the tiny thong that was sitting about 2 inches above her jeans (in hindsight, I was surely seen by many girls and guys gawking at her whaletail. I also remember being rock hard in class imagining her tight ass in that g-string.

Link to similar: https://www.ae.com/us/en/p/aerie/un...thong-underwear/6777_7297_410?menu=cat4840006

Maybe the most incredible part is that that her thong was clearly visible the entire class. I spent the hour admiring it, in shock that she wasn’t hurrying to tuck it away, just proudly letting it fly and driving all the guys crazy.

Have jacked off to the memory and her pics on more than a few occasions.
Awesome, those Aerie g-strings are so sexy!
 
Science class senior year of high school, 2008. It was a lab, so we had 4-person lab tables around the perimeter of the classroom, with each person sitting on a stool. In general the lab stools were great because they had no back, so nothing blocking the view, and also you couldn't lean backward or you could fall over, so all the girls had to lean forward a bit. And since it was senior year of high school in 2008, it seemed like almost every girl was wearing thongs, and most had no idea how frequently they were showing their thongs in class (or if they did know, they had no idea how to stop it). The only downside in science class was that because of the positioning of the tables, you didn't have a great view of many of the girls.

One of the "popular" girls in my class, Kaylee, was about 5'8", blond, and rail thin, she had a great butt and seemingly always wore faded American Eagle low rise skinny jeans paired with crop top t-shirts. This should have been a perfect combination for exposed thongs, and my eyes were always glued to her waistline when she sat down or stood up in class, but somehow it never materialized. And between being one of the popular girls at a time when it seemed 100% of her friend group was wearing thongs, and never seeing a fullback VPL from her, I figured for sure she was wearing thongs too. But it wasn't until senior year that I finally found out.

On this particular day, she wasn't wearing anything out of the ordinary, so other than just watching her because she was hot, I didn't have any higher expectations than any other day. She went to the lab table next to me, but took a seat on the side facing mine so her back was away from my view. With my hopes for a surprise thong exposure dashed, I actually focused on my group work for a bit. Halfway through the class, my group had a question, so I went up to the teacher's desk to ask. On my way back, I had a perfect view of Kaylee and was shocked to see an inch or so of pink lace sticking out above her waistband. It wasn't sticking out enough to confirm what kind of panties they were, but it was a lot of fabric to not see any evidence of a triangle in the middle or a string going in between her butt cheeks, so I initially figured that Kaylee actually didn't wear thongs after all and that what I was seeing was the top of lace bikini or cheeky panties or even full boyshorts.

Still, this was the first time I had ever see any amount of her underwear in four years, so it got me going anyway. And they were lacy and with a Pink tag on the back, so thong or not, I was turned on by the thought of her going to Victoria's Secret and picking out cute underwear. Even though I had no view of her waist, I kept watching Kaylee as she shifted back and forth a few times on her lab stool, with me imagining that that must be pushing her underwear higher out of her pants, whether it was a thong or granny panties or something in between. Shortly thereafter, when my group had another question, I jumped at the opportunity to go back up to the teacher's desk.

At the exact moment I turned to go back to my seat from the teacher's desk, Kaylee did a weird sideways lean to try to grab something from the other end of the lab table without tipping her stool. This had the effect of shifting her crop top so that it reached her jeans on one side but left her lower back showing on the other half. My eyes immediately went to her belt line, and my heart sank when I noticed that the pink lace had vanished. Maybe it was the side lean she was currently doing, or maybe she pulled up her pants without me noticing. Then just as I was passing her to get back to my table, I noticed something similar on the side where her crop top was still exposing part of her lower back, I could see about 1 inch of pink lace, but this time instead of sticking up out of her pants, it was coming down from under her crop top.

It was just a glance as I was passing, but I was almost positive what I had seen, and if I was correct, that confirmed that Kaylee was wearing a thong (and therefore in my mind was always wearing thongs, with no evidence to indicate otherwise). But now my heart was racing and I couldn't think about anything else other that what I was sure was a thong sticking out of Kaylee's jeans. I watched as Kaylee reset from her sideways lean to a hunched over position taking notes, I quickly came up with another question to go ask the teacher, and on my way back, I was finally treated to the perfect view (this was before smartphones, so I don't have a picture of the actual slip, but this is the thong pictured below).



I walked as slowly as I reasonably could so I could soak it in. An absolutely perfect Pink lace thong, visible above her jeans, just a tiny bit of the white strip of fabric in the middle visible before disappearing into her jeans. Despite being the standard low rise jeans of the early 2000s, her belt was keeping her pants in place enough that none of her actual cheeks or crack were showing, which almost made it hotter to me. She wasn't dressing like a slut, she was just wearing standard hot girl clothes and a pair of cute Pink underwear that she didn't think anyone was going to see. Any because class ended without her ever reaching back and feeling her exposed thong, or adjusting her jeans higher, she probably went home thinking that no one did see them. Four years of watching and seeing nothing, but all worth it in the end. Kaylee never had another slip that I saw over the remaining months of senior year, but I knew every time I looked at her butt that underneath her American Eagle jeans was almost certainly a Pink thong.
 
Science class senior year of high school, 2008. It was a lab, so we had 4-person lab tables around the perimeter of the classroom, with each person sitting on a stool. In general the lab stools were great because they had no back, so nothing blocking the view, and also you couldn't lean backward or you could fall over, so all the girls had to lean forward a bit. And since it was senior year of high school in 2008, it seemed like almost every girl was wearing thongs, and most had no idea how frequently they were showing their thongs in class (or if they did know, they had no idea how to stop it). The only downside in science class was that because of the positioning of the tables, you didn't have a great view of many of the girls.

One of the "popular" girls in my class, Kaylee, was about 5'8", blond, and rail thin, she had a great butt and seemingly always wore faded American Eagle low rise skinny jeans paired with crop top t-shirts. This should have been a perfect combination for exposed thongs, and my eyes were always glued to her waistline when she sat down or stood up in class, but somehow it never materialized. And between being one of the popular girls at a time when it seemed 100% of her friend group was wearing thongs, and never seeing a fullback VPL from her, I figured for sure she was wearing thongs too. But it wasn't until senior year that I finally found out.

On this particular day, she wasn't wearing anything out of the ordinary, so other than just watching her because she was hot, I didn't have any higher expectations than any other day. She went to the lab table next to me, but took a seat on the side facing mine so her back was away from my view. With my hopes for a surprise thong exposure dashed, I actually focused on my group work for a bit. Halfway through the class, my group had a question, so I went up to the teacher's desk to ask. On my way back, I had a perfect view of Kaylee and was shocked to see an inch or so of pink lace sticking out above her waistband. It wasn't sticking out enough to confirm what kind of panties they were, but it was a lot of fabric to not see any evidence of a triangle in the middle or a string going in between her butt cheeks, so I initially figured that Kaylee actually didn't wear thongs after all and that what I was seeing was the top of lace bikini or cheeky panties or even full boyshorts.

Still, this was the first time I had ever see any amount of her underwear in four years, so it got me going anyway. And they were lacy and with a Pink tag on the back, so thong or not, I was turned on by the thought of her going to Victoria's Secret and picking out cute underwear. Even though I had no view of her waist, I kept watching Kaylee as she shifted back and forth a few times on her lab stool, with me imagining that that must be pushing her underwear higher out of her pants, whether it was a thong or granny panties or something in between. Shortly thereafter, when my group had another question, I jumped at the opportunity to go back up to the teacher's desk.

At the exact moment I turned to go back to my seat from the teacher's desk, Kaylee did a weird sideways lean to try to grab something from the other end of the lab table without tipping her stool. This had the effect of shifting her crop top so that it reached her jeans on one side but left her lower back showing on the other half. My eyes immediately went to her belt line, and my heart sank when I noticed that the pink lace had vanished. Maybe it was the side lean she was currently doing, or maybe she pulled up her pants without me noticing. Then just as I was passing her to get back to my table, I noticed something similar on the side where her crop top was still exposing part of her lower back, I could see about 1 inch of pink lace, but this time instead of sticking up out of her pants, it was coming down from under her crop top.

It was just a glance as I was passing, but I was almost positive what I had seen, and if I was correct, that confirmed that Kaylee was wearing a thong (and therefore in my mind was always wearing thongs, with no evidence to indicate otherwise). But now my heart was racing and I couldn't think about anything else other that what I was sure was a thong sticking out of Kaylee's jeans. I watched as Kaylee reset from her sideways lean to a hunched over position taking notes, I quickly came up with another question to go ask the teacher, and on my way back, I was finally treated to the perfect view (this was before smartphones, so I don't have a picture of the actual slip, but this is the thong pictured below).



I walked as slowly as I reasonably could so I could soak it in. An absolutely perfect Pink lace thong, visible above her jeans, just a tiny bit of the white strip of fabric in the middle visible before disappearing into her jeans. Despite being the standard low rise jeans of the early 2000s, her belt was keeping her pants in place enough that none of her actual cheeks or crack were showing, which almost made it hotter to me. She wasn't dressing like a slut, she was just wearing standard hot girl clothes and a pair of cute Pink underwear that she didn't think anyone was going to see. Any because class ended without her ever reaching back and feeling her exposed thong, or adjusting her jeans higher, she probably went home thinking that no one did see them. Four years of watching and seeing nothing, but all worth it in the end. Kaylee never had another slip that I saw over the remaining months of senior year, but I knew every time I looked at her butt that underneath her American Eagle jeans was almost certainly a Pink thong.
Hot story, I remember those low-rise American Eagle and Hollister jeans being gold mines for whale tails and butt crack slips back in the '00s.
 
I told the story of my friend pantsing his younger sister in the "girls getting pantsed stories" section and it was suggested that I tell about some of the times I saw her whale tail so I figured I'd tell a couple of them here.

My friend's sister had a bit of a crush on me growing up. She was always wanting to hang around when I was over at her family's house and liked giving me hugs a lot. She was a cute girl but I didn't have much interest in her at the time since she was a few years younger than me which is a big deal when you are a teenager. She had black hair, fair skin, and a skinny build.

One day me and my friend were playing video games at his house. She comes in the room and starts pestering her brother as she liked to do a lot. She's blocking the tv and dancing around some trying to distract us. She had on on a short t-shirt that showed a little of her belly when she stretched upwards and this pair of baggy navy blue sweatpants. I noticed she kept having to pull the pants up some, they must have either been too big for her or the elastic on the waistband was worn out. I didn't think much of it until she dropped one of the Goldfish crackers she was eating and crouches down right in front of me to pick it up. She crouches down in front of me and I think my jaw dropped lol. Her sweats slid down as she crouched and literally half of her perky, pale ass is hanging out. She has on a green triangle-back thong, with little blue polka-dots on the triangle, that is sticking out around 4 or 5 inches and I can clearly see it vanishing between her butt cheeks. I'm trying not to stare too hard so her brother doesn't catch me. Before I can turn my eyes away, I hear my friend say "Kate, pull your pants up, your whole ass is out!". I laughed a little at that and she reaches around and feels her thong is out and quickly tugs her sweats up as she stands up. She looks back at me and says "woops, I didn't mean to moon you". That incident definitely got my heart racing a bit lol.

Another day, I am hanging out at their house again. His sister is hanging around us again. We decide we should play a game together and decide on Twister somehow. Personally, I really don't like Twister since I'm not a flexible person but I went along with it since that's what they wanted to play. We start playing and I'm trying not to hurt myself lol. My friend spins the spinner and it lands on left hand blue, I think. His sister crouches down in front of me to put her left hand on a blue dot. She has on a t-shirt and some of the infamous low-rise Hollister jeans that were popular back in the '00s. As she crouches down, her jeans slide down and a little orange t-back g-string pops out about 3 or so inches. I can see the back string going right between her cute ass cheeks. My heart skipped a beat because I for sure didn't expect her to have such tiny undies on. She must have either not been aware it was showing or didn't care because she made no move to pull her pants up or her shirt down. I get a naughty idea in my head and just can't resist. I reach up and pull back the string that's around her waist and snap it back against her body. I didn't do it real hard but just enough to make that little "ping" sound. She lets out a little squeal and reaches back to feel her g-string. She looks back at me a little bit red-faced and giggling some and said something like "why'd you do that?" and I said "well, at least I didn't give you a wedgie". She got a good laugh out of that and my heart was beating like crazy at the whole situation.
 
I told the story of my friend pantsing his younger sister in the "girls getting pantsed stories" section and it was suggested that I tell about some of the times I saw her whale tail so I figured I'd tell a couple of them here.

My friend's sister had a bit of a crush on me growing up. She was always wanting to hang around when I was over at her family's house and liked giving me hugs a lot. She was a cute girl but I didn't have much interest in her at the time since she was a few years younger than me which is a big deal when you are a teenager. She had black hair, fair skin, and a skinny build.

One day me and my friend were playing video games at his house. She comes in the room and starts pestering her brother as she liked to do a lot. She's blocking the tv and dancing around some trying to distract us. She had on on a short t-shirt that showed a little of her belly when she stretched upwards and this pair of baggy navy blue sweatpants. I noticed she kept having to pull the pants up some, they must have either been too big for her or the elastic on the waistband was worn out. I didn't think much of it until she dropped one of the Goldfish crackers she was eating and crouches down right in front of me to pick it up. She crouches down in front of me and I think my jaw dropped lol. Her sweats slid down as she crouched and literally half of her perky, pale ass is hanging out. She has on a green triangle-back thong, with little blue polka-dots on the triangle, that is sticking out around 4 or 5 inches and I can clearly see it vanishing between her butt cheeks. I'm trying not to stare too hard so her brother doesn't catch me. Before I can turn my eyes away, I hear my friend say "Kate, pull your pants up, your whole ass is out!". I laughed a little at that and she reaches around and feels her thong is out and quickly tugs her sweats up as she stands up. She looks back at me and says "woops, I didn't mean to moon you". That incident definitely got my heart racing a bit lol.

Another day, I am hanging out at their house again. His sister is hanging around us again. We decide we should play a game together and decide on Twister somehow. Personally, I really don't like Twister since I'm not a flexible person but I went along with it since that's what they wanted to play. We start playing and I'm trying not to hurt myself lol. My friend spins the spinner and it lands on left hand blue, I think. His sister crouches down in front of me to put her left hand on a blue dot. She has on a t-shirt and some of the infamous low-rise Hollister jeans that were popular back in the '00s. As she crouches down, her jeans slide down and a little orange t-back g-string pops out about 3 or so inches. I can see the back string going right between her cute ass cheeks. My heart skipped a beat because I for sure didn't expect her to have such tiny undies on. She must have either not been aware it was showing or didn't care because she made no move to pull her pants up or her shirt down. I get a naughty idea in my head and just can't resist. I reach up and pull back the string that's around her waist and snap it back against her body. I didn't do it real hard but just enough to make that little "ping" sound. She lets out a little squeal and reaches back to feel her g-string. She looks back at me a little bit red-faced and giggling some and said something like "why'd you do that?" and I said "well, at least I didn't give you a wedgie". She got a good laugh out of that and my heart was beating like crazy at the whole situation.
Were these also when she was in 6th grade, or a bit older by then?
 
Here is one from me. I originally posted this in another thread ("What age first thong?") but I figured some people here may have not read it yet. Warning long post.

So I was around 10 when I saw my first thong. I was in this 3-week science camp where we did a bunch of fun experiments and whatnot, and there was this really cute girl in my group (she said she was graduating to middle school that summer, which makes her around 12) that I kept on checking out. Not only was she very pretty, her outfits were also quite daring. Hell on the very first day she showed up with a literal tube top that showed a bit of her tummy, a super short denim miniskirt and a pair of flip-flops.

Her jeans were also kinda daring, all of which were very tight and especially low-rise. Since she never wore a belt, whenever she sat down or squatted more than half of her butt popped out from her jeans. For most of the time she wore panties just like any other girl, so on the days she showed up wearing jeans there was always one to two inches of her lower back and a significant amount of her high-rise panties sticking out above her jeans for most of the day. Even when other girls told her that her undies was showing she didn't give a damn.

One day I was late and class had already started. Everyone was already gathered on the floor in front of the projection screen watching The Day After Tomorrow. I had no choice but to sit in the very back of the crowd. It wasn't long before she showed up to class in a hurry. It turned out she was late too.She knelt down beside me rather carefully, constantly checking if anyone was present behind us. Only when she was sure there was no one did she finally sit down. I found it strange. Wasn't she the type who didn't give a damn her undies was showing?

However the answer took me by surprise. Instead of her usual panties, two-thirds of her naked ass was hanging outside instead. I had never seen a girl's naked ass before so it actually took me a second to register what I was looking at. In fact so much of her ass was hanging outside her bare butt cheeks were less than an inch (2~3cm) to touching the floor. She definitely knew what was going on because she immediately ran her hand across her backside. She then tried pulling up her jeans as hard as she could. However her efforts were all in vain and when it was clear that her jeans wouldn't budge, she finally gave up.

Meanwhile my heart was rushing faster than ever. An insane amount of her skin was on show. Since she sat cross-legged with her back arched forwards, her already very short spaghetti-strap camisole only went halfway down her waist. A lot of her waist and virtually her entire hips and lower back were exposed as well. Hell I could even see a good portion of her exposed tummy.

Continued in next post..
Was this around the early 2000s when they were super popular?
 
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